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Made In China.

3/16/2015

24 Comments

 
I was recently asked what sort of equipment I have in my shop.

Most of the gear that is available to me for purchase, inevitably comes from China*. I have dreams of Hardinge, Schaublin and Myford, but the truth is I've never actually seen any examples of them with my own two eyes. In my part of the world (Australia), they rarely if ever turn up for sale, and importing them new (or even s/h) is prohibitive. So, like you I suspect, I'm stuck with the stuff from China.

But is that such a bad thing?

For one thing, your dollar goes further. A lot further. You can get a whole home shop started, with the money you might have dropped on a s/h restored Myford (assuming you could find one). Yes its substandard equipment, in almost every respect, but it will get you well and truly started on machining. As opposed to having a sweet little Myford on the bench, with nothing left over in the wallet, to buy anything else.

With the money left over, you can splash out on the better cutting tools, put them in the cheapo machine, and start making beautiful chips. Believe me, it makes a difference.

Secondly, it forces you to learn. All of the little defects, provide the perfect motivation to learn the craft of machining, and every defect made in China has a solution; it just depends on how creative you want to be with your efforts. Suddenly you're searching out mini-lathe.com and lurking around yahoo groups looking for the best ideas; maybe even coming up with your own. Before you know it, you're pushing engineering drawings in front of your wife, showing "your latest solution to the tail-stock runout problem". All very good practice, and also very good fun.

And finally it leads you inevitably to that important engineering fact: There is no such thing as perfect accuracy, just tolerances.

You are now well inside the abilities of your cheap little mini-lathe or mill, and you know what it can and can't do. You have a few little cheats and work-arounds for when it really counts, and you now have a good appreciation of when to relax and just accept +/- "whatever". And all of this was provided to you for a fraction of the price of the good stuff.

Of course, you can also crash the carriage, drop chucks on the bed and generally make all the stupidest, dumb a**, cringe-worthy mistakes a rookie can make, and know that all you've done is scar a cheap little disposable tool. But then I wouldn't know anything about that...

The dreams of course, never stop.

As always, thanks for stopping by,
Chris.

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* For the record: I have a Sieg SC4 Lathe, a Sieg SX3 Mill drill, and a CQ6125 9 x 20 lathe, all from "Over the pond" as Tubalcain says. My small Band Saw claims to be Taiwanese, but I think I detect a Chinese accent...

My USA made gear is top quality, and includes an outstanding (and much used) Delta 1" Belt Sander, a Bench Filing Machine made from Andy Lofquist's castings, and a fine little Sherline lathe.
24 Comments
Rob
4/4/2015 12:29:18 pm

I'm in Singapore, and have exactly the same problems as you do. To my surprise, you seem to have trouble obtaining materials as well -- I thought that wouldn't be an issue in Australia. I ended up with Sieg equipment as well, a SC4 and SX2 (I see one in your picture too?). I'm always jealous of those in Europe and the USA buying premium ex-industrial gear for next to nothing..

Btw, beautiful work on your clock!

Cheers,

Rob

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Chris link
4/4/2015 01:40:46 pm

Hey Rob, Thanks for watching!

Yes the little SX2 is a second hand one I picked up from a local clock maker who was retiring. I share the work between it and the SX3. I guess the market in Europe and USA is just so much larger than ours, so we miss out on the good stuff!

Cheers mate,
Chris.

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tinmaker
7/16/2015 02:23:15 am

Hi Chris, thank you for those wonderful videos. I watched the whole playlist last night until about 3am. I couldnt sleep after after I started watching. they are just marvelous.

I cant believe that an Australians have the same problems with purchasing machine shop equipment and bar stock as we have here in Sri Lanka. I always thought being in a developed country Australians would have access to purchase any fancy machine shop tool they wish. Wow... I guess that dream is only for europians and americans. Only good thing is we have very good machine quality steel here. And also brass and bronze. But aluminium quality is usualy poor and good extruded pieces are prohibitively expensive for some odd reason. So I do most of my makings with good quality steel rather than aluminium. Hard to machine but no other good options there. :-(

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James
7/28/2015 07:58:00 am

Nice work Chris, i love watching your video's.. well produced video's like that are hard to come by, thanks so much for dedicating your time to it! I'm an Aussie too and feel your pain when it comes to finding second hand machines or even bar stock/etc.. bit of a pity! I do love turning brass on my pathetic little watchmakers lathe though and that's easy enough to find. I'm looking to buy another lathe as my tiny little one has way too much play in it and can only take 8mm bar stock through the head. Any ideas where to get the infamous weiss 9x20 for a decent price in Aus?

Cheers mate,

James

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Chris link
7/28/2015 08:57:58 am

Hey James, these guys carry the Weiss range, based in Brisbane: http://www.engtooling.com/ If you pull the trigger, I really would like to know the build quality, so let me know

Cheers,
Chris.

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James
8/10/2015 08:03:24 am

Hey Chris, I ended up going with a Hafco lathe the Al-250G 250mm swing over bed, 500mm long with a 26mm bore so should be adequate. Scored a good deal so that was the deciding factor!

Cheers,

James

Chris link
8/10/2015 09:11:15 am

Hey James,

Great to hear, let me know how it works out,

Cheers, Chris.

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Irving Fallon
10/1/2015 09:34:56 am

What size is your milling machine vice (looks to be a Kurt clone) and, if you like it, where you obtained it? I am trying to find something about 3" jaw width and the used Kurt ones are too dear for me. It would seem to be rather sample to produce "over the pond," but several appear to be poor quality. Any info would be appreciated. Love your videos.

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Chris link
10/2/2015 06:24:00 am

Hey Irving, this is the vise here:

http://www.machineryhouse.com.au/V304

very happy with it, suits the SX3 well, and have had no problems with the sort of work I do.

Cheers,
Chris.

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Francisco Rosas
10/7/2015 12:13:15 pm

Hi Chris,
I'm impressed for your work and your videos!
I would like to know what CAD software do you use in your videos (Solidworks or freeCAD).
Also if you can I would really like a video about a lathe work of a cube inside a cube
Kind Regards from Mexico.

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Chris link
10/7/2015 03:08:11 pm

Hey Francisco,

I'm very pleased to hear you're enjoying the videos! I use Solidworks; great software, although crazy expensive.

I will certainly do a Turners Cube some time in the future, so keep an eye out for it!

Cheers,
Chris.

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Jessie
12/5/2015 09:57:11 am

The dumb a** rookie mistakes you mentioned aren't just for rookies! I've been a machinist in the USA out of Utah for 10 years, and once in a while I will make those same rookie mistakes. Like reading a mic exactly .025" off, or forgetting to tighten the vise and flinging a part a cross the shop when the cutter touches it. Stuff happens, learn from it and move on.

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Nicolas
12/18/2015 09:24:25 am

Hey there ! I just want to say that I love ALL your videos.I have watched them at least 4 or 5 times, and it just impress me how delightful they seem.
I have a question, what other program other than solidworks (A little bit cheaper or free) do you recommend ? Maybe not to design such complex mechanism, but to design something simpler. I know sketchup MIGHT be one of them, but i'd love to hear other recomendations.
Thanks, and keep it up with the amazing work !

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Chris link
12/18/2015 08:19:50 pm

Hey Nicolas,

I tried a few before settling on SW. TurboCAD was OK as I recall.

Thanks for taking the time to watch, I appreciate it :)

Cheers,
Chris.

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Mark V link
1/26/2016 11:59:20 am

Hi Nicolas, try Autodesk's Fusion 360, it's free to use for personal use and is a really great CAD system with inbuilt CAM too. There are plenty of good tutorials out now which makes getting started easy.

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Simon
1/28/2016 02:34:53 am

Thought I'd share one more positive to buying cheap tools - you get a much better understanding of tool design, and what features to look for when you inevitably upgrade to a higher quality tool down the road.

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chris link
1/28/2016 05:53:38 am

Totally agree Simon, thanks very much for sharing.

Cheers,
Chris.

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drogus
3/10/2016 01:54:50 am

Thank you a lot for this post! It may be depressing when you get on some forums (especially where there is a lot of seasoned lathe users that often use lathes professionally) and you hear mostly that the machines you describe here are useless and you shouldn't buy anything that doesn't cost loads of money and anything that doesn't weight less than a ton.

Btw. your videos are awesome and the stuff that you make is absolutely beautiful. And your youtube channel slowly pushes me from "that machinist stuff is kind of interesting" to "let's see, how much money can I spend on a lathe?".

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Tom
2/7/2017 08:59:26 pm

Hi Chris,

I've recently come across your videos on YouTube and just wanted to say 'brilliant'! You're engaging, your work looks amazing and your videos are slick but not pretentious. You should be so proud of your stuff. To boot you come across as down to earth and you use Chinese kit which many other sites make one feel bad for even considering - I'm now looking at a SC4 and a Sieg mill also based on what you've shown is possible. Thanks for keeping it real and being a fine example of 'craftsmanship over tools'.

Thanks Tom.

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Chris link
2/8/2017 07:01:29 am

Hey Tom,

Thank you very much for the kind words, and terrific to hear about the lathe and mill - Be sure to send through a few pics when you get started!!

Cheers,
Chris.

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Paul
10/8/2017 05:10:14 am

I don't have a wife to push my engineering drawings in front of. in front of 'cause I'm 15. Can anyone help?

So far I have a tiny Unimat SL1000 which has suited almost all my purposes so far. However, it is painfully weak so I am planning to upgrade the motor which should be easy. The power is transferred through pulleys which makes it extremely good at different motor arrangements. I love machining and you have fed my desire to keep going with it!

Thank you!
Paul

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Paul V McEvoy
12/25/2020 07:22:09 am

Are there updates to this post or are you still using the same stuff?

Thanks!

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Chance Cook link
7/27/2021 11:46:15 pm

I guess you're right about how the effects of these products will motivate you to learn what machining is. A ton of people might assume that machining is only for big corporations. But I'd like to learn it and then work with a couple of smaller businesses to get things done.

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